What struck me is not the duality of interest. It’s quite possible to be interested in an offbeat discipline like mining & CSE is by default on everyone’s list as its one of the “safe” options. What intrigued me was the comparison of two completely disparate centers of technical education. Let’s analyze both the institutes.
A new born baby, BITS Hyderabad has no past record of excellence whatsoever. We can only hope that it will continue in the tradition of its alma pater-BITS Pilani. The environment in BITS- P is amazing. It is one of the few institutes in India that allows students sufficient flexibility & leverage in terms of subjects, faculty, and class timing. Pilani pass outs are assured placements and command good packages. But, it’s early days yet to comment on what the Hyderabad campus will offer to its students.
One place where BITS Hyderabad scores brownie points is its location. Its proximity to the new software nerve centre of India is not unintentional. Most IT, software and telecom companies would definitely look to it for recruitment possibilities. And, if looked at from a student’s point of view, I don’t think any kid will complain about spending his/her student life in Hyderabad. I agree that for an engineering student, campus life is where it’s at, but, a cosmopolitan city certainly has its good points. All in all, BITS Hyderabad has certainly drawn first blood as far as brand name and publicity is concerned.
ISM Dhanbad on the other hand is something of a mystery. Established in 1926, its very name – the Indian School of Mines- gives you a good idea about it specialization. Its location at the very heart of the coal belt-Dhanbad- seems to be a very practical decision. Over the years, the ISM has found its place within the top ten engineering institutes of India. But, it’s yet to find its place in the sun in terms of student popularity and media attention. So, what went wrong here???
As far as pedigree is concerned, it doesn’t get any better. Established in the pattern of the Royal school of Mines, the school was inaugurated in 1926. Admissions are done on the basis of the JEE scores. On the basis of stats provided o the ISM site, the top hiring companies include:
Not too great, but not pathetic either. So, what’s holding ISM back?
NO.
ReplyDeleteJuly 2008 OUTLOOK "Professional College Rankings" issue shows Average salary of BITS Pilani as Rs 4.5 Lacks/annum.
And of ISM University,Dhanbad as Rs 5.93 Lacks/annum.
So when Pilani lags behind ISM in terms of Placements ,
then where is the question for ISM's competition with BITS Hyderabad?
Here is a list of some PROMINENT ALUMNI of ISM DHANBAD as given on www.wikipedia.org:-
ReplyDelete* Mr Waman Bapuji Metre Pioneer in Indian Oil Industry, Known as Dādā Metre (’Elder Brother’), Padma Bhushan in 1968
* Dr Harsha Gupta Raja Ramanna Fellow, NGRI Hyderabad, Padmashri Award 2006
* Mr Mahendra P. Singh Director Mining, Mittal Steel, UK
* Dr Madan M. Singh Director, Society of Mining Engineers, USA
* Mr Suresh C. Chugh ,Former Managing Director, J P Morgan, USA
* Dr Ram G Agarwal Well Test Expert, former Senior Technical Advisor, BP USA
* Mr Raj Upadhyay VP (Production) UNOCAL USA and VP UNOCAL India
* Dr Akhil Dutta-Gupta Professor and LeSuer Chair in Reservoir Management, Texas A&M University
* Dr Hemanta K Sarma Professor and Reg Sprigg Chair in Petroleum Engineering, Adelaide University
* Mr Shiv K. Sharma Senior V P (Engg), Kerr McGee, Now Anadarko USA
* Mr C Amitabh Director, CSI Consulting Inc
* Prof Pradeep Talwani Professor of Geophysics, University of South Carolina and Director, South Carolina Seismic Network
* Prof Raja V. Ramani Professor Emeritus, Mining and Geo-Environmental Engineering, Pennsylvania State University
* Prof. Mrinal K. Sen Professor and Jackson Chair in Applied Seismology, Jacskon School of Geosciences, Univ of Texas at Austin
* Prof. Santanu Khataniar Professor of Petroleum Engineering, University of Alaska Fairbanks
* Hemanta Mukherjee Production Engg Expert, Founder, iPoint LLC
* Dr. Someshwar Kesh, Harmon College of Business Administration, Central Missouri State University, Warrensburg, New York
* Mr U D Choubey CMD, GAIL India Ltd.
* Mr A G Pramanik, ED, ONGC Ltd and Member, European Academy of Sciences, Brussels, Belgium
* Prof. Chandra S. Rai, Mewborne Chair Professor, Mewborne School of Petroleum and Geological Engineering, University of Oklahoma, Norman, Oklahoma, USA
* Mr Santosh Senapati, MD, AIG Global Investment Group, India
* Mr Rajeev Khanna, Director, Policy & Corporate Affairs, BG India
* Mr Ananda Rakhit VP and Chief Information Officer, NES Rentals, USA
* Dr Anil Kumar, President, Anil Kumar & Associates, and Senior Adviser, ExxonMobil E&P Technology Center, USA
* Dr. Mihir K. Sinha Founder IFTC and Former Vice President, J P Morgan, USA
* Mr. I L Budhiraja President Petroleum Businesses, E&P, Reliance Industries Ltd., India
* Mr. N K Mitra Director (Offshore), Oil and Natural Gas Corporation Ltd., India
* Mr Atul Chandra, Head (International Division- E & P), Reliance Industries Ltd. and former CMD, ONGC Videsh Ltd., India
* Dr. V.P. Dimri Director, National Geophysical Research Institute, Hyderabad, India
* Dr. B.P. Pandey Dean, College of Engg., UPES, Dehradun, India
* Mr K K Passi, Deputy Director General of Mines Safety, DGMS, India
* Mr. Amrit S. Chopra CEO and MD,Medicom, India
* Prof. Shri Krishna Singh Department head, Instituto de Geofísica, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
* Dr. Indranil R Bardhan Assistant Professor, School of Management, University of Texas, Dallas, USA
* Mr.S.N.Sharma Chairman and Managing Director, SURSEZ (Surat Special Economic Zone). SURSEZ is the First Privately Operating Zone in India
* Mr. Kharak Singh, President, E&P , Essar Oil India
* Dr. Ganesh Thakur, Senior Reservoir Engg. Adviser, Chevron USA
* Mr. Shashi Kumar, Chairman, Coal India Limited
* Mr A K Sinha, Director (Business Development), Baker Hughes Group, India
* Mr N M Borah ,Director (Operations), OIL India Ltd.
* Ragula Bhaskar, founder president and CEO FatPipe Networks™ (the inventor of router clustering devices for reliable, redundant and fast Internet/Wide Area Network (WANs) connections), also the co-Chairman of the Review Committee of Utah States Boards and Commissions for the Huntsman Gubernatorial Transition Team.
* Mr. Tapan Bose, Vice President, Satyam Computers, India
* Mr. PJ Singh, CEO, Bay Area Systems, Silicon Valley entrepreneur. His new company was on the Q1 2005 stealth deals list in BusinessWeek.
* Kalyan Sinha, Asst Vice President, UTI Bank Ltd, India
* V.Balasubramaniam, Scientist - Space Tribology Division, ISRO.
* Bishwajit Sharma, Scientist, Computer Vision Group, Centre For Artificial Intelligence and Robotics, DRDO, India.
* Mr Randhir Kumar IAS, Kerala Cadre, 3rd Rank, Civil Services Examination-2005
* Mr. Sunil Kumar Barnwal IAS, Bihar Cadre, 1st Rank in Civil Services Examination -1994, India
* Mr. Nand Kumaram, 8th Rank in Civil Services Examination -2008.
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The top salary of an ISM passout in 2007 was Rs 43 lacs [branch-petroleum, company-Schlumberger]
In 2008 it was Rs 32 lacs [branch-mineral, company-BHP Billiton]
Even the companies listed in the chart above is old as it doesnot mention Samsung India [Rs 5.5 lacs],
which was the major recruiter of CSE and Elex of 2008 batch.
Placement scenario at ISM Dhanbad seems amazing.
ReplyDeleteIt makes me wonder if ISM is better than BITS Pilani.
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ReplyDeleteMr. Navneet,
ReplyDeleteplz. take a look at both sides of the picture before coming to a conclusion about bits pilani. if bits were to put up its alumni record, believe me, even some of the iit's would hang their heads in shame.... the glamour attached to being a bitsian can be completely gauged when u realise the huge weightage the bits brand carries when u go for a gre...u pass out of bits as a better individual rather than a dumb engineer. Remember, BITS is the only institution which is treated a par with the IIT's. if there's a brand name in indian higher education other than the IIT's and IIM's, it's got to be BITS, Pilani....
@ Mr. Abhishek Anand, u r boasting of GRE record of bits pilani. have a look at the record of ISM.
ReplyDeleteFirst thing, if u want to pursue a higher degree courses in earth sciences, u dont even need to have a good GRE score. U just need to be and Ismite and the rest the name will do. Only a recommendation letter from our professor will do. and i m not talking about thousands of below average technical colleges present there i.e. US, I m talking about the elite ones which include the names of Stanford , MIT , Texas and many others.
secondly talking about the alumni list, if u go to any OIL & Gas company around the world, the ISMites are sitting in the topmost level and some are in the ranks of director.
Third thing IITs are not known because of the colleges but because of its students who r much better than the rest. and the same breed is found in ISM.
and lastly regarding placements, I have heard that most of the BITs student go to software companies as other students from different private colleges doing BPO type of jobs. and in ISM , u know all the students from earth sciences go for core jobs not the low grade s/w jobs.
@ priyanka
ReplyDeleteI appreciate your views and agree with the fact that ism has the best infrastructure and faculty when it comes to courses like mining, petroleum and geosciences. But other than these disciplines, academics at ISM is pretty sub-standard. As for your argument that IIT's are known for its students rather than the college name and the same breed are found in ISM, its a known fact that people start dropping from the IITs if they are not able to make it to the top five IITs. Most of the people in comp. sc. and electronics in BITS Pilani were selected in the IITs and people who were offered ISM have preferred BITS Pilani. So students here are much better than those in ISM. And for BITSians getting s/w like their private counterparts, please check your facts again...
@ Mr. Abhishek Anand
ReplyDeleteAnand! Many of the students who qualify any engineering exam hardly know about the good and bad of their concerned colleges. A very few know about the college placement or bother to know about the college infrastructure and academics. What only matters for them is first the brand name and then on what others ( those who qualified in previous years)did. A few know about the choices they make for the selection of the right discipline in the right college as per their interests and cognitions.
Take the examples of Opening Ranks at some of the IITs in the year 2008-
IIT Hyderabad (H) 634
IIT Gandhinagar (N) 2259
IIT Rajasthan (J) 2392
IIT Punjab (U) 2639
IIT Bhubaneswar (E) 2693
IIT Patna (P) 3189
IIT Roorkee (R) 811
IIT Guwahati (W) W16 - 1801
IIT Kharagpur (G) 565
So as per you IIT Hyderabad is better than IIT Roorkee and comparable to IIT Kharagur. And so these recently opened IITs who dont have well-established infrastructure are better than IIT Roorkee, Kharagpur, ISM or BITS-Pilani-where each one is globally recognized. These talks are for the novice- not for ISMites and BITSites. Every engineering colleges have their own leads. So ISM in earth science and BITS in IT. Well as for ISM, it is No.1 mining and petroleum college in Asia and 3rd in the world. Thats ISM lead in its best disciplines. Sorry, I dont have any idea about your leads in the world in your major desciplines. Perhaps you can give some figure like these. So not a matter of any significance fro us to discuss on these irrelevant topics.
Priyadarshi has given a very very good reply. B4 2005, all b.tech entries to BITS were on marks basis. And so, influential parents' wards used to get admitted there. They can't match even the level of AIEEE qualified students...forget about matching JEE qualified students. Now even, fresh bitsians write JEE next year but reverse is not true. These BITSIANS suffer from inferiority complexes and only involved in self appraisal. Diamond never say that I am costly.
ReplyDeletethere is a lot of comp gng bw BITS and Dhanbad... but if anyone could help me thru this....i m confused tht whthr i mst take CS in dhanbad or not...hwever Pckgs in CS are not impressive??
ReplyDeleteChildren of influential parents in BITS? What a joke... BITS has NEVER had any form of QUOTA! No reservation.. forget managements seats. BITS does not release official placements stats.. Every year top students get placed in Microsoft, Adobe, Google, etc with packages more than 30 lakhs.. and several in Amazon,etc. BITS does not make a big deal of it
ReplyDeleteMost of my friends are placed in sumsung along with BITS-P. AS far as IT is concerned I Don't know about 30lks in BITS-P but iam sure abut 55Lks in ISM and so many others.. And we are pioneers in several industries... As for core don't even talk about it..all global companies will opt for ISM D..
ReplyDeleteThe Union Finance Minister Mr. Arun Jaitley, during his budget speech in Parliament on 28th February 2015, said that he proposes to upgrade ISM Dhanbad into a full-fledged IIT.
ReplyDeletePeople who are comparing BITS with ISM Dhanbad or the soon to be IIT(ISM) Dhanbad are not doing justice to any of the institutes. ISM was established at a time this country did not have any resource, neither coal nor ore. That's where ISM came in. It sparked the industrial revolution of India by making India self sufficient in terms of Iron ore and Coal. Let us say without ISM India would not be today and BITS certainly wouldn't be. The brilliant minds of ISM have been serving this country for about 80 years. Now it has branched out to all fields and is doing extremely well in due testament to its pedigree. Besides ISM admits students through the JEE(Advanced) and that is considered to be the world's toughest Engineering Entrance, in comparison BITS admits students through BITSAT, and having appeared in that too, let me tell you, its no more than a joke by JEE standards. Last but not the least you cannot compare BITS to a college established in 1926 and is to be an IIT in 2016! BITS is just a fledgling institute.
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